Episode 164 How The Brain Constructs Recurrent Emotional Difficulties – How EmRes® Can Resolve These Disruptive Emotional Patterns: Interview With Cedric Bertelli

Chris McDonald: Are you ready to unlock the power of your emotions and achieve true emotional resolution? In today's episode, I sit down with Cedric Bertelli, an expert from the Emotional Health Institute, to explore the transformative world of emotional resolution. Discover how this innovative modality is reshaping the way we understand and manage our emotions.

We'll delve into the profound impact emotional resolution can have on your mental well being. relationships, and overall quality of life. So sit back, settle into this insightful conversation on today's episode of the Holistic Counseling Podcast. This is Holistic Counseling, the podcast for mental health therapists who want to deepen their knowledge of holistic modalities and build their practice with confidence.

I'm your host, Chris McDonald, licensed therapist. I am so glad you're here for the journey.

Welcome back. To another enlightening episode of the Holistic Counseling Podcast. I'm your host once again, Chris McDonald here. And today we're embarking on a journey into the world of emotional wellbeing and resolution. Emotions are a fundamental part of our human experience, shaping our thoughts, actions, and the way we interact with the world.

Understanding and effectively navigating these emotions is essential to leading a fulfilling life. And that's where emotional resolution, which we're going to learn about today, comes into play. In this episode, I have Cedric Bertelli, a recognized expert in emotional resolution. Which is a revolutionary approach to emotional healing that has transformed the lives of countless people.

Cedric has dedicated his career to helping people overcome stress, anxiety, depression, and PTSD, as well as other negative emotions using this body of work. And during this conversation, we'll explore the key principles of it, how it works in a session. the impact of it and how it can help empower individuals and practitioners alike to make profound shifts in emotional well being.

Welcome to the holistic counseling podcast, Cedric. Hi,

Cedric Bertelli: thank you, Chris. Thank you for having me. Well, I thought

Chris McDonald: we'd jump right in if that's okay with you. Sure. Absolutely. Can you provide our listeners with an overview of what emotional resolution is and how it differs from other approaches to emotional well being and therapy?

Cedric Bertelli: Absolutely. So emotional resolution is a body of work, and that's crafted by the Emotional Health Institute, which is based in the USA, France, and Japan. And what it is, is based on the understanding that we have today. of how the brain constructs disruptive emotional pattern, how we can allow the brain or the body to resolve this, this disruptive emotional pattern.

And when I say resolve, I mean resolve. This is not emotional regulation. So maybe that's how it might differ from some of other works out there. Uh, out there, it is that we're really aiming to resolve the pattern that the client is coming to treat.

Chris McDonald: So when you say emotional regulation, so it's not just managing the emotion.

So that's kind of the difference.

Cedric Bertelli: That's right. The goal is, um, oh, the, the intention is really for the pattern, the disruptive emotion, um, that is creating an issue for the client to be completely resolved.

Chris McDonald: So I know one question that you had mentioned before was, how does our brain construct emotions?

Cause I know this is all scientifically based that you guys, can you share with my listeners what that means? Yes,

Cedric Bertelli: absolutely. And, and what I'm going to share is not, it's not mine is mostly based on the work of Lisa Barrett is a friend of Barrett out of Boston. and Antonio Damasio, but also Bruce McKeown.

So how does the brain construct disruptive emotional pattern? Well, there's two things we need to be aware of. The first thing that we know, at least for now, is that at the origin of every single one of our disruptive emotional pattern, It's an instant of trauma. So what is a trauma is an instant that hold too much stress for us to take on at the moment when we live it.

That's what a trauma is. And it can be emotional stress or physical stress. So that's the first thing at the origin of every single one of our pattern, disruptive emotional pattern is an instant of trauma. That's the first thing we, uh, we have to keep in mind. And the second thing is one of the main job of the brain.

is to predict our brain or a subconscious brain constantly predict based on a situation. This is how we stay ahead of the game, so to speak. Uh, we can see that with a food. If I'm having a granny's piece of apple when I'm five years old, for example, the next time I'm going to have a granny's piece of apple, it doesn't matter if I'm five, six or seven.

Right before I'm about to buy this apple, I'm going to predict already instantly what sensations I'm going to experience. It's a prediction. It's the same thing for an emotional difficulty you see. When we experience a trauma, it doesn't matter how old we are, it can be in utero, at birth, or much later.

When we experience a trauma. There is a natural mechanism happening if the prefrontal cortex is already formed, is that there is an instant of dissociation. When the stress is too high, there is dissociation, so we do not suffer too much during this instant of trauma. That's normal. That's a defense mechanism.

Now, one of the main job of the cognitive, the prefrontal cortex is to filter information. What you and I we're aware of right now is about 2000 bits of information per second. That's what we're aware of. 2000 bits of information per second. And our cognitive brain process this 2000 bits of information at a speed of about a hundred to 150 miles per hour.

Simultaneously, your subconscious brain, my subconscious brain, all our subconscious brain, um, the potential to grab about 400 billion bits of information per second, 400 billion from the subconscious. And the subconscious process this information at a speed of about 150, 000 miles per hour. When the cognitive, when the conscious and the subconscious are congruent.

are in sync, then, uh, there is no problem. We just deal with what the conscious is grasping, what we are aware of. Now, during an instant of trauma, the cognitive, the conscious, we're going to say, shut down, as I say, so we don't suffer too much. Now, it's a bit as if the subconscious is taking over. Now you have this huge vortex gathering.

Tons and tons of information, 400 billion bits of information per second at a speed of 150, 000 miles. And what are this information? This information are purely sensorial. Your subconscious mind is going to gather what you smell, what you taste, the temperature of the room, what you hear, everything that is available through the five senses.

And the subconscious mind is also going to record the physical sensation that you're feeling in your body during this very instant. But all this information, all this data is nonlinear, meaning that it's like a huge vortex open and all this data is rushing it. And then when the conscious mind come back in the story, so to speak, the gate, the vortex is closed.

Now, how do we know that we feel an emotion? We know that we feel anxious or angry or afraid because we're feeling sensations in our body. These physical sensations, it's called interoception.

Chris McDonald: If we're connected to our body, right? Because I think a lot of clients I see are dissociated to, from their body.

Cedric Bertelli: Absolutely. You're right. That, that, that definitely happens. However, if somebody experience of emotion, even if they don't realize that they feel sensations, there's a sensation. That's right. That's why they feel an emotion. Uh, if not, even depression, people who are depressed and feel low and numb, this numbness actually is a lack of sensation, but it is also sensorial.

It's all sensorial. It's all linked to, uh, interoception. Interoception is a managed by a part of the brain called the insular cortex. The interocortex allows us to know what we feel. Anxious, angry, thirsty, hungry. All this is interoception. When it comes to emotion, And these physical sensations that we've seen during an emotion, what are they?

Well, those physical sensations are a prediction from the brain. We could say, we could say an outdated prediction from the brain. Basically, it is fascinating to realize that the physical sensations that let us know that we are feeling an emotion, where this are the same sensations that were felt during a specific traumatic event in our life.

The physical sensation that let us know that we're feeling an emotion. All the physical sensation that your body or my body is predicting that we are about to experience based on a past trauma. And why is that? It is because in our current situation, in our current life today, there is something in our greater environment that remind our brain, remind our body of an enemy that was present during a past trauma.

And when the body is exposed to the stimulus that we know what the stimulus is or not, it's irrelevant. When the body is exposed to the stimulus, it is going to automatically predict what physical sensations we're about to feel and generate them. That's interoception.

Chris McDonald: So why is interoception important?

Cedric Bertelli: Interoception is important because it is in large part the solution for us to resolve. Our, our emotional difficulties, and this is, I mean, the process is quite simple. You see, every time we feel that emotional difficulty, we have the tendency as human beings to control. We shut down what we feel, we control what we feel.

We try to control. The environment, when we feel this emotion constantly, not as a problem, you see, every time we try to control our emotion or our environment, as we feel an emotion, we do not let the prediction plays out until the end, the sensorial prediction plays out until the end. What we found at the Emotional Health Institute, and we're not the only one, of course, is that when we let the body play out, the physical, prediction, the interoceptive prediction until the end, without any type of control from the therapist, from the client or on the environment.

At the end of the prediction, the brain is expecting to be hit with some kind of danger. Now, when we do MRS, emotional resolution in a session, or if the client learned to do MRS on themselves by themselves, at the end of the prediction, nothing is happening. We are safe and sound from that very second.

The prediction is updated. What does that mean? That means that when we go to the whole for the old prediction that never last longer than 90 seconds, by the way, a prediction takes between two and 1990 seconds. Nevermore. When we can let the prediction plays out in the body without any type of control, which is easier says and not at the end of the prediction, the emotion The prediction is updated instantly and permanently in the SWOT feature emotional resolution.

That's

Chris McDonald: interesting. You said 90 seconds. I did hear that from another guest that, that that's what our brain is. It will do if we don't attach a story to things too, right? If we let it play out, cause that's the problem is we'll just be like, Oh my God, this happened before. And then we get caught up with anxious thoughts and, you know, one anxious thought leads to another.

And before we know it, we're spiraling.

Cedric Bertelli: What you say here is very important, Chris, because you're right. It is 90 seconds per prediction, but human beings are very complex machine. So I feel an emotion and then right away I feel another emotion, let's say I feel anger and then right away in a split of second, I'm going to feel guilt and then shame and then resentment.

So one of the key of MRAS is to isolate every single one of these emotions and resolve them one after another. That's why I refer MRAS as a body of work because we put together a body of work that are allowed to do that. The brain. I mean, Emotion comes to the brain at a speed of 150, 000 miles per hour.

That means that within, I don't know, five seconds, you can have five, even more emotion happening. We don't see that as human being. We make it, we make it like one label, so to speak. But in the brain, it is often several emotions starting one after another, kicking, firing up one after another. So the key is to be able to isolate the emotion.

Resolve it. Isolate it. Resolve it. That's why there's a resolve as well. Because they come so quickly one after another. That is difficult for prediction to play out until

Chris McDonald: the end. So 90 seconds for it to play out, but then there's multiple emotions there. What happens when you, when someone is in emotional resolution session?

So it sounds like, is this like a body based kind of treatment or? Method. Yes,

Cedric Bertelli: absolutely. It's um, we could say it's body based because we mostly work with physical sensations. We mostly work with interoception. Of course, we're going to ask questions to the client to Specifically, we trigger in a very respectful and gentle way the emotions that the client wants to resolve.

So how it works during a session, often we start the session with a specific situation, current situation that hold the emotion and the client wants to resolve. I say current because we never take a trauma. We never gonna take a traumatic event to work in a, in an emotional resolution session. And there's many reason in that, but.

One of the reason is you cannot heal trauma. It sounds good. You know, trauma healing sounds really good, but you cannot heal trauma. Trauma happened. It happened and it's in the past. Now, what we can heal are the wounds created by trauma. And that's what we're aiming to do here. You're a therapist yourself.

I'm sure you noticed that from one traumatic event, Doesn't come one emotion from one traumatic event comes a whole, a whole list of emotional difficulties that are impacting the client in their life today

Chris McDonald: and it's perception to

Cedric Bertelli: end the perceptions and the belief, et cetera. So the 1st work is to look at what is happening today in the life of the client and, and, and, and almost listing all the difficulties that are linked, for example, to a trauma if we work in a trauma and they were going to work.

on one difficulty at a time to really light up all, if we can, on most of the wounds or at least the conscious wounds of the trauma. And then we, we start working on the subconscious ones. And we do that through different ways, through questioning, through, um, a work that we call the Embrace Journey as well, that works a bit more with the subconscious, uh, through metaphors and image.

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So how was this created, this method? I

Cedric Bertelli: think at the origin, we could say that. It's a gentleman called, uh, that started, uh, really working on, uh, on MRS and himself, he got inspired by several other professionals such as Jean Paul in France and, and others. But, uh, how it, uh, how it came to life was to really notice that when we are able to trigger an emotion very specifically and allow the client to basically do nothing, which is not easy, but to do nothing.

As the sensations of the emotion is playing out in the body, well, the emotion wasn't coming back. So from this simple observation, the idea was how can we reproduce that as simply and efficiently as we can. And then we noticed what we just talked about earlier. That is that within five seconds, someone can have five, six, seven emotions.

And we, uh, we, we noticed that working with horses. We have a wonderful lady, Dr. Naila Sherino in France. She's a veterinarian, uh, and we've worked, she's doing NREST with horses and farm animals, really, but mostly horses and cows. And working with horses, she noticed that what the farmer sees as one emotion.

Actually, when you work with a horse, it's 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 instants of fears that lead, that lead to what we see as human beings, one emotion. So from working with horses and working with her, because she's, she's really a professional in this. We established, I don't like the word protocols, but methodologies that allow to slow things down and get each emotions held through a short period of time.

to get the body to give the body to the time to resolve them one after another. And then we developed another side of the work, um, through questioning very specific questioning that allow the body to bring up emotions that we're not really aware of. Often these things to guilt and shame, fear, um, that allow us to resolve them as well.

So when we do a session, we're going to, we're going to resolve a whole web of emotion. I

Chris McDonald: never would have thought there was that many emotions. Usually in therapy, we're like asking the client, like, what does this bring up in you? What is the emotion? Usually it's one, right? I never thought that there could be like a whole constellation.

Cedric Bertelli: There is a whole constellation of emotions and a lot of them don't have names. A lot of them are just tensions in the body. You know, we have a very limited vocabulary for emotions because we have a very limited awareness of our emotion. We only notice the big ones, the anxieties, the angers, the fear. But the fact of the matter is we are crossed on a daily basis, I would say by 10th, depending where we are in our life, or hundreds of tensions.

And you know, there is this quote from Van Gogh that I love. As Vincent Van Gogh said, our smallest emotions are the captains of our lives as we obey them without noticing them. And that's very true. If we observe our body in our, on a, on a daily basis, we notice how much we're influenced by the tensions that we are.

experiencing. If you and I, we meet, and as we meet, I become dense without really noticing it, but my body denses, I might say, I don't know about Chris, there's something about her, and I'm going to make up a whole story about you. But what might happen is just that. Your smell that I don't ever notice consciously might remind my brain of a smell of a teacher I had in third grade and used to raise hell for me.

And from your smell, my body is going to anticipate, so to speak, that you're my teacher again, yeah? And I'm going to be tense. I'm not going to realize that. I'm just going to say, wow, I feel weird when I'm around Chris. There's something about her. And we do that all the time, these tensions that we're talking about now, they create most of the dynamics of our lives.

And, and, and because we're humans and we love to create stories, we don't love to create stories. That's the way that the brain works, right? Yes. But, but, but often we don't take tension for attention. We just make up story and we, we, we don't even, I'm not going to try to resolve this. I'm just going to blame it on you.

You know? Yeah, that's her. I don't, yep. We're not going to be friends. And it has nothing to do with who you are. So that's also a part of the work of MRAS is to, is to question everything, all the tensions, the work of MRAS, the goal of MRAS is not to be emotionless to the contrary. The goal of MRAS is to be able to experience the emotions and that are congruent with our current reality, instead of having the body reacting.

From past trauma, from past experiences. Yeah,

Chris McDonald: that makes a lot of sense. So I'm wondering with this methodology, is there a way that you use this safely? Because I know with some really big emotions with trauma that there can be a lot coming up for clients. And I guess, is there any ways that you kind of help the client to do this safely?

Cedric Bertelli: Yes, absolutely. But for small, we, we never work with, uh, with traumatic event, which helps. And then we slow things down, meaning that we are really taking the emotion at its very beginning. So we take the plan in their life today. So situation that happened a few days, few weeks, few months ago, but we take the emotion at the very beginning.

You know, the emotions become overwhelming when there is accumulation of this emotion we talked about. When there is a panic attack, when there is an anxiety crisis, it's very rarely one thing. It's an accumulation of a lot of emotions happening extremely quick in the brain of the client. So our role as an MRS practitioner is to take the emotion at the very beginning.

And at this point, the only tensions in the body, the client never goes into an emotional state during a session. They only stay in a sensorial tension state, that We stop, so to speak, we are going to stop it to the contrary, we're going to let it change, but, but we're going to stop the cognitive of the client to not go into any kind of memory, not go into any kind of story and to be that good to be there with the body and to let the body process this emotion for the first time.

I often tell my client, you're going to be intimate with your emotion for the first time. We're never intimate with our emotion. We always go to the cognitive. And because we go to the cognitive, it increases the emotion. And then it's too much.

Chris McDonald: Yeah. And I know a lot of times people avoid. The difficult emotions too.

So I can see how this makes a lot of sense. This method too. Cause I know clients I see is just, they just pack them away. Right. Oh, I feel that emotion. Okay. I'm going to put it

Cedric Bertelli: away. Yeah, absolutely. Because it's scary and it's uncomfortable. It's scary. Of course. Yeah. It's so comfortable. So it's, uh, uh, often refer, um, as MRS as the, the ultimate, uh, hero journey, right?

It's, uh, you, you have to get inside the emotion. You have to take the time to go into the belly of the emotion. It's from the belly on the emotion that you can slay the dragon. You cannot run away from the

Chris McDonald: dragon. Oh, I like that. The slay the dragon.

Cedric Bertelli: Yeah. You have to go in the mouth of the dragon, down to the belly and from inside, and then you slay it and it becomes compost, you know?

Oh, yeah. Mm

Chris McDonald: hmm. It's quite a visual to really think about that. Cause yeah, I talked to clients a lot about being able to face these fears and emotions that come up and, cause I know that that seems to be one of the biggest struggles is well, number one, accepting you have emotions, right? Cause I don't want this, I want this to go away.

And number two is, is being able to face it, to be with it in the moment. I think that's a commonality among humans, right?

Cedric Bertelli: Yes, absolutely. Often I refer, I use the word emotion, of course, but I also refer to them as tensions to really already put in the, in the mind of the client that yes, it's emotional when you go into the emotion, but at the end of the day, It's only tension in the body and, and, uh, during a session you will, we will never create all the sensations that are already present in their life.

So it's, uh, yes, I, I, we often refer as tension. So, so people are, are less, um, cautious, less afraid.

Chris McDonald: Yeah. That was, I would think that would be less triggering too, if you just call it attention. Yeah, that's right. So is this scientifically based, this method?

Cedric Bertelli: Yes. I mean, the whole method is really based on the work of Isaf and Van Barret, Antonio Damascio, and Nina Bull was one of the first pioneer in somatic, uh, therapy.

So it's really based on neuroscience. We took a completely neuroscientific perspective and understanding to craft MRAS. And we're having two studies, we have more down the line, but we have two studies about to come out within the next couple of years that, you know, clinical studies that should really bring some light into what's happening and how it's

Chris McDonald: happening.

Yeah, that's, that's fascinating to think about. I love all the neuroscience and there's so much about the brain that we don't understand. So the more I think we can look into these methodologies, I think there's more healing that can be had.

Cedric Bertelli: Absolutely. And there is what we can understand and there is what we will never be able to understand.

And still, the resolution can

Chris McDonald: help that. I know I asked you earlier about migraine because I had a migraine today. So you said that this can be also used for physical issues, not just emotional.

Cedric Bertelli: Yes, absolutely. We developed a work called MRS applied to the body. It was mostly crafted by Dr. Jacques Schumechs, who is a gastroenterologist in France.

And we, we crafted a work called MRS journey that allows to work with patients. physical symptoms, migraines, eczema, growth, stomach ulcers. I mean, you name it. And, uh, we enter through the symptoms. And as you know, often, uh, symptoms, recurrent symptoms have an emotional base. So we enter for the symptoms, so to speak, and through the symptoms, we are going to meet and resolve.

Unconscious fears. Uh, it's a bit as if you enter through the tree and you're going down the roots after refer to emes as well as, uh, entering the mycelium, the mycelium of, of the emotion. So we're gonna enter. through, uh, the symptom and get in and discover all this wave of subconscious fear, subconscious trauma that are in us creating this symptom and resolve them one after another.

Chris McDonald: So there can be multiple emotions there, like you said, the constellation.

Cedric Bertelli: Yes. In order for us, what we, what we found. is that one thing is at least in our level for what we observe is sure that in order for us to have symptoms, there's always several emotional difficulties that create the symptoms.

Always. I never found it. I've been doing that for a long time now. I never found somebody who came to see me for physical symptoms related to one specific emotion. It is always a web of emotion. Most of them are not conscious. Often the emotion that we link to the symptoms is not really related to the symptom.

Most of the time, the big emotion that we, we, uh, we have in our life are not the main reason why we have symptoms. And the reason is yeah. We take care of our big emotions one way or another. If I have anxiety or anger, I take care of it one way or another. With booze, with marijuana, with meditations, with yoga, with porn, you name it.

But we regulate it one way or another most of the time, even on unhealthy ways. Uh, and now, The emotions, the subconscious emotions, the tensions that we refer to earlier, we barely feel them. So we don't do anything. They are very much active. And then they can be activated by anything. I mean, painting on the wall, an old family picture in the living room, the smell of the clothes.

I mean, you never know what it is. So it

Chris McDonald: could be just something neutral, but it's associated with something else. That's

Cedric Bertelli: right. That's right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. So you

Chris McDonald: said resolution. So when somebody gets this emotional resolution, so it's not something that's just temporary,

Cedric Bertelli: the, the, the idea is to, I mean, if we follow our logic and what we've been seeing for years now is that.

Once a prediction is resolved, once a prediction is updated, it's updated forever until proven wrong. This is how we learn in life, right? We're learning in life from being a little kid to now, to adults, or until we die, really. We learn by updating predictions. Once a prediction is updated. It's updated.

Once you learn how to ride a bicycle, you can stop riding for 10 years. You will know how to ride a bicycle. The prediction will be there. Now, it's the same thing with emotion. Once we update the prediction, it's an outdated prediction. It's an obscene prediction. It doesn't serve the body anymore. We just didn't give him a chance to But it plays out until the end.

We see that in nature all the time. You know, we always talk about the impala being chased by the lion. And then when the impala is back to a safe place, the impala shakes and doesn't hold on to trauma because during this moment of shaking or tension releasing, well, the body is going through a natural cycle.

We don't do that as human beings because we learn to control so much. Or because our parents or educators controlled us so much. Or we try to control.

Chris McDonald: That's right. But many things are out of our control. Yeah. People struggle with that. Don't they? Can you share any, some success stories you've seen with Emrath?

Cedric Bertelli: Yes, of course. Uh, uh, about anxiety, for example, people coming to, uh, to see us were anxiety, uh, debilitating anxiety. The anxiety being resolved, uh, people coming to see us with a lack of self confidence or not being good enough. We have a lot of those not feeling good enough. There is a belief, but it's also an emotion as that can be resolved.

Uh, people with eczema, uh, pluriasis from the neck down, that can be resolved. PTSD, uh, people who have been carrying PTSD for years, since childhood. You know, again, uh, PTSD is not one emotion. It's several emotions. So we have to work for several sessions, of course. But yes, uh, adding the weight of PTSD being lifted, et cetera, or performance anxieties for men, for example, it can be a performance anxiety or for competition.

People who are practicing sporting in a high level and, uh, are a very, very good way they train, but when it's time to compete, losing all their ability or a lot of their ability, that's definitely something we can resolve

Chris McDonald: as well. Wow. So that sounds really hopeful too. Yeah. I'm sure for listeners too, to know that there is some, some other modalities like this out there.

Cedric Bertelli: Absolutely. Uh, uh, and you can go on the site and there's, um, there's a lot of testimonials, uh, there's a book out there with, with success stories, et cetera.

Chris McDonald: So what is the training involved if any listeners would like to get trained in this and use this as part of their therapy?

Cedric Bertelli: Absolutely. So it's a certification process and the certification is.

Three days of, uh, training like, uh, then the practitioner where they learn, uh, the foundation of MRAS that will already be able to do a session, an MRAS session after those three days. And the practitioner in training need to do 10 sessions with client that we meet for some case study for three hours.

Then the practitioner has to do 20 sessions with client and we meet again for two days. That's module three. Then the practitioner has to do 20 more sessions. And then certification, which is done on one on one for two hours with the trainer. And after that, there are advanced class such as, and rest of back to the body, which is three days.

And after certification with continuous education, four times a year, we have false model, whether it's been told, teaching of new tools, new technique, new understanding.

Chris McDonald: That's great. So what's the best way for listeners to find you to learn more about you and your work?

Cedric Bertelli: The best way is to go to MRes. com.

It is E M R E S. R E S dot com and that's the mother, she is sheep, so to speak, uh, about emotional resolution. And if they want to reach out to me directly, it's Cedric Bertelli dot com.

Chris McDonald: Thank you so much. But thank you so much for coming on the podcast. This was very interesting.

Cedric Bertelli: Thank you, Chris, for having me.

I appreciate it.

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