204 Bringing Spirituality & Intuition Into The Therapy Room: Interview With Cherie Lindberg & Heather Corbet

Chris McDonald: Have you wanted to bring in spirituality into sessions, but were unsure how? Have you struggled to trust your own intuition? Do you feel like including discussions of spirituality and trusting your intuition could be beneficial to your client's mental health? In this episode, we explore how integrating spirituality and intuition can improve your can transform this therapeutic experience for both the therapist and the client.

We'll look into the benefits of honoring these often overlooked aspects of healing and how they can enhance emotional, mental, and even physical well being. This episode will offer insights and practical tips for bringing this part of yoga into the therapy room. You will learn the ethics, the differences between spirituality and religion, an understanding of manifestation, and how to start bringing this into sessions.

Discover how to tap into the power of intuition and spirituality to foster deeper healing. So palms together, let's open our hearts and turn inward on today's episode of Yoga in the Therapy Room. Welcome to Yoga in the Therapy Room, the nontraditional therapist's guide to integrating yoga into your therapy practice.

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Welcome back listeners to the Yoga in the Therapy Room podcast. The Non-traditional therapist guide to Integrating Yoga into your therapy practice. Today's episode is all about the powerful role that spirituality and intuition can play in the therapeutic process. Personally, I just got back from a retreat at the Art of Living in Boone, North Carolina and I gotta say this was such a deep and profound experience.

Nothing like I ever had been to before and I feel like with all the yoga that we did and meditation, we did vagal toning exercises, that it really brought me back to myself. This allowed me just to disconnect completely and be in the mountains, be in nature, connecting with other people, just brought me to a very spiritual place.

And I felt like intuition has flowed so much more. I think when we get caught up in our day to day, that there's so much stress that we encounter or, or we feel weighted down with our jobs as therapists, that we do need to be mindful of that and be able to find more ways, like, getting away for a weekend for a retreat to help us reconnect to ourselves and find our own meaning and purpose.

And let's move to today's episode. So as therapists, we all know that healing goes beyond the mind and body. And we know that yoga practices can help bring in spiritual And that's why I thought this episode would be so helpful for you today. And we're going to be talking about going a little bit deeper than just mind body to more spiritual, intuitive practices, and what that could look like for you and your clients and how this can help clients connect more deeply with themselves and help with their healing journey.

In this episode, we're going to be talking about the benefits to both you and your clients, the ethics involved, the differences between spirituality and religion, and how to start bringing these conversations into sessions and how to support your clients through this. And I brought back Cherie Lindberg, who is a seasoned transformational coach, speaker, advisor, and psychotherapist holding a completed doctorate.

Her life's work is dedicated to guiding mentors, leaders, and high performers and embracing their life's purpose and achieving personal flourishing. You might remember her from episode 194 of the Holistic Counseling podcast, where she talked about healing through brain spotting and parts work. I highly recommend it.

You should check it out. I also have a second guest today. So there's two, so it's very interesting to hear two people's perspectives. Heather Corbett is an occupational therapist, spiritual advisor, holistic healer, brain spotting consultant, and specialty workshop presenter and coach with over 20 years in the human development field.

As a spiritual advisor and coach, she is dedicated to the profound healing and spiritual well being and evolution of her clients. Welcome to the Yoga in the Therapy Room podcast, Cherie and Heather. Thank you so much. Thanks for having us, Chris. Yeah. And thanks for the opportunity to be here. Absolutely.

And welcome back, Cherie. I thought we'd jump in and talk about how would you define spirituality and intuition?

Heather Corbet: Yeah. So just looking at spirituality, I am an occupational therapist. And so in looking at spirituality, I was sharing before we started recording that spirituality. It's an occupation. And so when looking at it in that way, spirituality is anything that is bringing meaning to the person's life.

And so this could be going to church. This could be walking out in nature. This could be, uh, I have a cousin who is, uh, his spirituality is the ski hill. So it's almost like looking at it in that regard. And then looking at intuition, I just look at intuition as a knowing, like an inner wisdom of sorts.

Chris McDonald: Yeah,

Heather Corbet: sure. What about you?

Cherie Lindberg: Yeah, I mean, I'm piggybacking off of what Heather has said. I think many folks get spirituality, religion confused. They see them synonymous of each other. And spirituality really leans to meaning and purpose in, in someone's life. So that, that's the simplest way that I would, I would explain that.

And then we could add practices and so forth, but anything that brings Meaning to a person's life could be considered spiritual. And what's the difference between

Chris McDonald: spirituality and religion?

Cherie Lindberg: Well, that's a loaded question. That's a big one. Yeah, that's a big one. Do you want to answer first, Heather, and then I'll piggyback off you?

Heather Corbet: Yeah. I feel, you know, if we're looking at it in a number of ways, so my husband is a pastor by trade. He's a theologian and he also is a biblical scholar. And so I, we have our own path podcast and I'm just thinking this could be a really rich discussion for us actually. Yeah. For sure. Well, with that spirituality, it just feels like that is, you know, So that is to the person and what they're experiencing.

And I feel like with religion, this is perhaps a place that you go to. Somebody who's guiding you, somebody who may have gone through extra schooling for pastoral care or something along those lines. And also religion can be very liturgical. So it can be something where you're doing something the exact same or similarly.

each week. So something along those lines. So to me, spirituality feels a lot more open and expansive. And I feel like with religion, it's almost as if it's a place you go to. Somebody is saying, this is how we do things. And at the same time too, with my own experience, I've had very spiritual experiences in church and through religion.

So sometimes it can be gray as well.

Cherie Lindberg: Yeah.

Chris McDonald: So it can be

Heather Corbet: both.

Chris McDonald: That was great definition, by the way.

Cherie Lindberg: Thank you. That really, very helpful. It can be both and also, you know, community based. Both can be community based. Um, there can be ritual and ceremony, you know, in both. And that's why it can be. You know, gray at, at certain times, religion tends to, um, not all religions, but there's a lot of religions that tend to lean towards a creed or a certain set of rules, or this is the beliefs that we follow where spirituality I see is more of a, can be more of an individual experience or, or belief system.

It can be done in community as well, but piggybacking off of what Heather said. about having our own things that we believe that are meaningful and purposeful for us. Yeah, I

Chris McDonald: think that makes

Cherie Lindberg: it

Chris McDonald: much clearer because I think people get that mixed up sometimes and there is a lot of confusion I think for sure.

So why is it important for a mental health therapist to think about spirituality and intuition and bringing that into the therapy room?

Cherie Lindberg: So because what we know about spirituality is that it is a buffer towards mental health issues, towards, towards depression, because spirituality gives us meaning and purpose in our life.

And there are a lot of folks that it gives us faith to, to believe, to hold on when there is a struggle. So when we can find that as a resource or a strength in our client, it can be very beneficial in supporting their healing journey in the office. So, it's important, I think, that practitioners aren't afraid to ask that question.

I think it's an important aspect of somebody's life that I think gets missed quite often in the therapy office.

Chris McDonald: What would be a good way to ask that question, do you think?

Cherie Lindberg: Do you have any spiritual practices or faith based practices that are meaning and purposeful for you?

Heather Corbet: Yeah, just like that. I would say too, just what, what guides you, you know, looking at faith and looking at what has helped you through, you know, are there various components of spirituality or of what drives you or what guides you that is helping you through some of those struggles and it just feels really important to be able to bring that into the conversation.

therapy room just because we all struggle, right? And people who are coming to us are in some type of struggle. So what is it that is guiding them or helping them or some type of spiritual practice that really assists them to be able to to move through some of that struggle?

Chris McDonald: Yeah, and I think sometimes this can start from the intake forms.

That's something that I include on mine as well, is that question that you asked too, Cherie, was, What do you have any spiritual practices and what are those? So I think that for those that may feel hesitant about asking the question that sometimes we can put on the intake and they can decline, you know, they don't have to answer it.

And that can just be an option to share. I also ask, is this something that you'd like to talk about in therapy? So we give them the choice, right? If they don't want to, great. But if they do, I'm, I'm going to ask them and say, hey, so tell me about this and how does that help you? So kind of getting their take on that, which brings us to the ethical considerations, because I know a lot of listeners like to bring yoga into the therapy room and part of yoga can be spirituality, but some are a little more hesitant.

because we do have a lot of ethical guidelines. So when you think about that, can you share, and I know Heather is an occupational therapist, I know you had some things that you had to share too, but can you both talk about that? How we might think about this more ethically?

Heather Corbet: Yeah. And I just feel like, yeah, from the perspective of an occupational therapist, so spirituality is an occupation.

And we were sharing about that earlier in just that with this as an occupational therapist, I may create a plan or I may create. goals towards spirituality or spiritual practices of some sort. And I feel in some ways that that, that is ethical, that is being ethical and just being able to witness that this is very important to a person.

This is very meaningful to a person. So just being able to witness that if we're making this plan or goal of something that they're able to do on a daily basis, it feels like that's an alignment. And

Cherie Lindberg: given what we know about their research now, how would it not be ethical to incorporate that into a treatment plan?

because we're looking at the whole person and spirituality can be a strength and a resource to pull from as this client is trying to change and work on their goals in therapy. I love how you say that

Chris McDonald: as a resource because I know in brain spouting, we use a lot of resourcing and that can be a really helpful internal resource, especially with trauma.

I think this can be so helpful to. kind of help with the faith that they can get through this. And of course, with depression too, I'm thinking, can we find the hope? Cause sometimes I think clients can feel like they can't make it and it's just too

Cherie Lindberg: overwhelming. I think it's another reason why Heather and I incorporate, not only are we incorporating spirituality, And intuition, but also manifesting, the science of manifesting.

So we're including all of those things. And in intuition, it's the ability to understand something instinctively without the need for conscious reasoning. And sometimes it could also be describing spirituality, right? Because we have a lot of spiritual beliefs that, you know, we don't know that they are true.

You know, research doesn't. Show or prove this or that. And yet we know that just by having a belief, it significantly can reduce mental health issues. Yeah. So I think we need to bring this

Heather Corbet: into the office. Yeah. Just looking, just piggybacking off of that, just looking at creation and creating our lives. So with this too, you know, some of our clients who have had a lot of trauma in their history, they didn't have the freedom to have control of their life.

They didn't have, you know, the agency to be able to make decisions for themselves. And so as we're bringing in spirituality, intuition and manifesting, it's helping the client to be able to know, hey, you can create your life. Like you can pull in all of your resources in order to create the life that you desire.

Chris McDonald: Yeah, beautiful. So what about intuition for therapists as far as their skills? Is there some ideas that you have for therapists of how they can build intuition more into their sessions?

Heather Corbet: Yeah, and I would say, you know, looking at clinical attunement. And so with brain spotting, we talk about that attunement and just being very, very, very in tune with your client.

And so a lot of the different therapists that I work with, they'll say that as they're doing brain spotting, all of a sudden, they're thinking a thought right before the person is saying it. So, you know, in that moment, they're very much in attunement and they're very much within that other person's bioenergetic field.

And so with that, just really witnessing that as we're in brain spotting that. Our client is in subcortical and on some level we're in subcortical as well. And so with that, we're in this intuitive state. And I just feel too that we, you know, looking at the relational attunement, we know our clients. And so with that, we're looking at all of the subtleties and really witnessing all of the different idiosyncrasies and intricacies of our client in front of us.

And so sometimes therapists may say, I don't know why all of a sudden my head started itching and then my clients. started itching their head or something along those lines. And so just witnessing that that's that attunement that is that we're in that synchro with the other person. So just being able to witness that it's already happening.

Cherie Lindberg: Yeah. And, and I would say that it's something that has been conditioned out of a lot of therapists and we're trying to bring back because it erodes the therapist trusting themselves, their ability to go with a gut hunch with a, with a client. It also been conditioned out of us so that we don't even trust our bodies.

And so what we're trying to do with this intuition is if I'm having a stomach ache and the client is describing something really horrible, that stomach ache means something. Right? And if I can use that in the therapy office to join and connect and have that relational attunement with the client, that's going to just help the client feel seen and heard on a deeper level.

And so teaching and supporting therapists, building their intuition and their skills. Now, how do we do that through practices, daily practices and the, and the therapists and the healers. And occupational therapists, you know, everyone that's in the service industry, you get to choose what resonates for you, that brings you present, and you start to create these new neural pathways.

That increased your ability to be attuned and increase your ability to trust your intuition.

Chris McDonald: I think that's so helpful because I think we do shut it down too easily. And one thing that I've learned, especially with all the guests I've interviewed with intuition and talking about it myself, I've learned too, that to trust it and notice it, And just whatever it says to go with it, instead of that automatic shutdown to say, let me just trust this and go in.

And sometimes I'll say to clients, Hey, this is coming up for me. What do you think of this? And that's sometimes, sometimes that can be a non threatening way to say, Hey, here's this, what's coming up. Tell me, does this make sense for you? Just to see what they say. And I think it's modeling for them, isn't it?

Kind of trusting that we can trust this process and intuition. I don't know how you feel about that to

Heather Corbet: just a whole modeling piece with this to just looking at our training and being able to move people into that self trust into the trusting intuition and just like she said, this has been conditioned out of us.

So, how many years have we been telling ourselves, like, no. No, I shouldn't have done that. No, that type of thing. And at the same time, as we start moving into trust and into that self trust, it's beautiful to witness what falls into place for us with that.

Chris McDonald: Yeah. So let's rewind a moment because I know some listeners may not have listened to the other episode on brain spotting, or they may not be aware.

Can you Can we just talk briefly of what brain spotting is? Sure.

Cherie Lindberg: So where you look affects how you feel. And basically, what we do in brain spotting, we can harness the spot where we feel something in our body. We can find a spot in our field of vision. to reprocess traumas or process blocks or performance blocks.

It can be used for expansion as well to achieve goals. So it helps, basically it helps us connect with our programming that is inside of us from early on that may not be serving us anymore. And many, there's like a continuum of this. And so let's say there's something that you want to work on that you know is getting in the way.

We can help you through your body, find the spot and go inside your own internal world and learn more about yourself. Why it's stuck, why you're not being able to do some of the things that you would like to do and free that up and release it. So that you can change

Chris McDonald: and can you share how you came up with this core spirituality intuition with brain spotting?

Because I think it's very exciting to hear that this is an option for therapists.

Heather Corbet: Will you start the story Heather? No, absolutely Well, and I feel too so I've been in the spiritual aspect for 20 25 years and really guiding people with their spirituality And when I discovered brain spotting what I was noticing is that people were Discovering their own spirituality, or it may be something that all of a sudden they were having a lot more spiritual experiences during the brain spawning session.

And so with this, as I was assisting at trainings, et cetera, people will would say, oh, my gosh, I'm feeling that my grandmother's close, or I'm just feeling really euphoric, or I'm feeling that I'm, you know, God is here, or there are angels surrounding me. And with that, then, as I moved into being a consultant, I'd have various consultees come in and kind of talk, hush, hush.

Like, so I had this spiritual experience, brain spawning, and we were seeing this, I was chatting with Sheree and we were seeing this over and over and over and over. And so that was kind of the beginnings. Of us witnessing that, Hey, there's a link here. And so the more research that we were able to do, we just witnessed that as you're clearing out some of this old trauma, what's no longer serving you.

That's when we're really connecting with spirituality, connecting with intuition. So we'll let Shabrie continue the story.

Cherie Lindberg: Yeah, so, I mean, I've always been a very spiritual person, but I, I always kept it separate from academia because of everyone talks about woo woo, right? So I've always kept it separate.

And I had a recent experience in the last three years where I had a dear loved one pass away, and it was during a training. Where I was teaching a training and I was like, how am I going to get through this training? I had a colleague who was co training with me. She's like, let's brain spot it. And I brain spotted during lunchtime.

And I was able to say goodbye to my loved one. Like she was right here. I could smell her. I could touch her. See her I could hear her voice Wow, and it was such a beautiful experience and it was so helpful to me I and it was like, oh, you're not gone. You're still here. It's just our relationships going to be different, right?

and so that experience was the catalyst for me to talk more with Heather and then Heather and I We're doing a Sedona intensives, Heather come to several intensives in Sedona, which I mean, spiritual capital of the world, possibly. Right. And so we were talking and we got these ideas during our travel of like, you know, this is so helpful.

Why are we not talking about it? Why don't we just bring it out? Why don't we create a training so that because there's so many therapists that are talking about it and needing some direction So that they can find some safety a safe place to be able to talk about this and explore it and then integrate Brainspotting with it because it's already happening.

We're just gonna talk about it

Chris McDonald: I love how you're creating like that safe space too because I went to a retreat this weekend and had like a spiritual experience But sometimes I talk to people and I'm like, Ooh, who can I talk to this doesn't feel safe. And I think when that happened, that must happen for so many therapists that don't have this space to talk about this and process, like, how do I integrate this with clients?

And maybe they came up with something or like you said, a spiritual presence or something weird happened in the session. So they may not feel safe talking to other colleagues. And I think this is such a great opportunity for sure.

Heather Corbet: Yeah, and that's what we noticed in the first training, that there were so many therapists that on the first day, probably the first couple hours that they were trying to acclimate and, you know, you could tell that everyone still had the professional demeanor, et cetera, of course.

And at the same time, as people were sharing their spiritual experiences, more people were leaning in and several people have said by the end, like, this is the sacred space I've been looking for. These are the people I've been looking for to be able to. That's my heart. Yeah. Yeah. I come into understanding this and having the support that I need.

And we, we

Cherie Lindberg: want to build community. That's the other piece. We want to build community. I think when you work in trauma, trauma can be very spiritual as well. There's lots of death experiences. There's lots of painful experiences, ancestral experiences. And they are all coming up in the office and we need a place to be able to share and to hold council and to support each other in doing this healing work.

Heather Corbet: Yeah. So what we've been doing too, is we typically have a follow up so that people are able to take the training. They're able to start incorporating brain spawning, spirituality and intuition and now manifesting. And with that coming back, you know, three, four weeks later and just, you know, you Just sharing like this is what has been happening.

This is what I've experienced and to know that the community still exists.

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Cherie Lindberg: So one of the goals that we have in the training is first to help people. with some exercises or practices. We give them a bunch of different ideas, like talk to your spiritual self. Parts work comes into this as well.

So we have different exercises so that people can bring themselves through a process and see if it was helpful to them. See if it's something that they want to incorporate on a daily basis, because what we know by the research It's the consistency and the practices that are going to strengthen up the neural pathways so that you will have spiritual experiences, you will have intuitive experiences, and you will be able to manifest your goals and desires into reality.

But there has to be consistency. some consistent practices and habits in place.

Chris McDonald: Can you talk more about manifestation? What that means?

Heather Corbet: Yeah. Well, and just looking at that, we're able to create our life. I mean, really that's kind of the long and short of it. And so with that, some of the research that we've been doing, uh, again, uh, Sheree had shared about woo woo and manifesting is kind of like this blue term, or it could be at this theme time, it's very scientific based and looking at The neuroscience behind it, as we are just allowing ourselves to be thinking about what we're desiring, to be able to take action toward what we're desiring and to be able to be in a positive mindset, things that we're really desiring and wanting in our life comes to us faster and quicker.

And so, yeah, how else would you. Uh, define

Cherie Lindberg: that. So some examples. Let's get some concrete examples because I know people love that. What we know scientifically that if you're able to get yourself in more flow states, okay, you have a higher possibility of being able to manifest your desires and your goals.

So there's a process to do that. And we talk about that in the training. Gratitude. Journaling or journaling about your desires and your goals like your brain starts to get hyper focused on your desires and it starts to see more opportunities, the more that you do that, the more you're seeing the opportunities, the more you stay focused on what it is that You know, that you want, so those are just a couple of, of the examples that we know.

Another one I would add would be a vision board. We've heard about this in the past, right? That the more that you are spending time in the energy and the desire of your goals and, and so forth, you get focused. So does your brain. And so you start to create habits that are going to go in the direction of what it is you want to bring into your life and create.

Chris McDonald: What have you witnessed as far as results from this training with a therapist that you've worked with?

Cherie Lindberg: That's a really great question. I think we probably need to go back and survey folks. Yeah, I would be curious. Yeah. Um, we actually have a colleague that we are kind of talking about talking together because she's going to be doing some spiritual research as well.

We don't have any of that at this point because it's only been a year since we've had the training. But I do know that people are excited about it, they're recommending the training because they've been able to get more focused in their goals of what they want to do. Moving from, let's say, agency work to private practice would be one example.

Chris McDonald: So it is

Heather Corbet: kind of that manifesting too, what they want. Yeah, definitely. Definitely is that manifesting and I, I was just going to include too, that just subjectively how many of the attendees come back and share like in sessions and whatnot, that they're utilizing these techniques. And I have a few clients that say like, I know where my spirit spot is and I go there every single day.

And with that, I'm knowing that I'm supported in my journey and I know that I'm able to create what I need in my life. So I feel on a subjective level, we're getting a lot of good feedback. It's just that. quite have that quantitative, this is exactly what is working for people.

Chris McDonald: And it can be what you've seen already, you know, it's

Cherie Lindberg: okay.

The other thing we know is that it helps prevent burnout as well. So the more that, you know, and being in this field, the more that we do the self, we could call them self care practices. Alongside spiritual practices. And the more that we have a positive attitude, positive mindset, gratitude, journaling, we're setting the stage for when we do the healing work with our clients.

So we're getting ourself in a state of neutrality sometimes, or in a compassionate space so that we can hold the attunement to the degree that's going to help the client go deeper into their own process.

Chris McDonald: And what have you witnessed with your clients?

Heather Corbet: Yeah, it's phenomenal, honestly, I will say. I feel that with this, I've had, uh, various clients connect with their loved ones who are, you know, who have passed over.

They are able to do repair work with their loved ones who have passed over. I know that quite a few of my clients, Two, they connect with their angels or their guides or God. And so with that, they just feel that they have this continual guide or this continual support. And also just looking at manifesting.

I think that's another thing that this is why we're starting to include this as well, that some people are creating a life that they're wanting after this training. I mean, it's phenomenal. Beautiful. Yeah. Take off with this.

Cherie Lindberg: And it's not just, you know, not only are we doing this training, but we also are launching a membership group.

called soul flow in January, because again, building, you know, building community, but it's not as simple as I'm going to go to a training and I'm going to go through this weekend and then I arrive, right? These are practices and habits, you know, that we're creating. And what we're realizing is that grit, Perseverance are also part of the equation, the ability to master your mind, to focus your attention on what it is you want, and to go for that it, even though there's going to be blocks and barriers and all these things, it's the folks that are persistent.

And have grit that keep looking at the barriers, keep looking at what is standing in the way that it eventually releases. There are people that get to that point and they get so tired that they give up before the miracle happens. And so we're teaching people like, Oh, you know what? That's the struggle phase of flow.

You know, we're teaching them that, yes, you're going through this. But look at what happens after you go through this, right? If you don't go through it, you start all over again with the struggle. But if you stay in the struggle, the reward is eventually you get into a flow state. So we're, these are the scientific stuff that we're teaching along with.

Everything.

Chris McDonald: Yeah. And I think that's, that's the hard part for people, right? To kind of stick with it.

Heather Corbet: Yeah. And I'd like to add to just looking at that all of this is uniquely for that person. So each and every one of us is so unique. And so as we're going through the training, just being able to go through our first kind of phase of being able to surrender, being able to release, being able to kind of move beyond our own blocks and connect to spirituality and connect with intuition.

And I just feel like with soul. It's almost like really supporting the person through that entire journey of being able to create what they want. Here are the tools, here are the techniques. I just want to reiterate that it's so unique. I mean, each one of us has our own formula for being able to get where we want to get to.

Chris McDonald: Yeah, I know you mentioned flow. What can you talk about what that means?

Cherie Lindberg: Well, it's where you get into a state of where you're not aware of time and space, and you're in this creative place, and that's why we call it flow. I mean, I know when I get in that state, like, sometimes I forget to eat. Because I'm so in, and my mind is in this creative place, and it's, everything is just flowing, like, the inner critic is quiet, right?

Everything is exciting, and like, ooh, you know, what's happening right now? Like, and, and I just, I love those, those flow states. When I'm outside in nature, immersed in nature, And, and sitting outside and just taking in the breeze and the trees and the so forth. That's a flow state for me. Everything quiets inside here and I'm present and I'm grounded and like there's no worries.

So those are some of the ways that I would describe flow.

Chris McDonald: Mm hmm. Absolutely.

Heather Corbet: Anything that you want to add, Heather? Yeah, I just feel like it's such a, it's such a helpful tool and it's, you know, looking at Flow, I think it was Csikszentmihalyi. He's from Hungary. I'm trying to remember this philosopher that was able to first coin what Flow was.

And just with that, that people have been able to get into flow for, you know, hundreds upon thousands of years. And with that, how that is able to create what our lives are meaning to be. And I just think too, with that, I know we'll talk a lot in the training with neuroscience and what's happening to the body physiologically.

So when you get into the flow state, you're having various neurotransmitters, oxytocin, dopamine, serotonin. Just start dropping through you so that you can keep going and keep allowing for yourselves to be in alignment with where you want to go.

Cherie Lindberg: Now, here's an example of synchronicity. I just wrote down physiology and then Heather talked about it.

So these are some of the examples we talk about synchronicities and getting into someone and we, we teach about the central nervous system. Okay. So if you want to learn these practices, being in sympathetic dominance is not going to be helpful. So we learn when we're in parasympathetic. And so learning not only to master your mind, but also your physiology.

So we teach what are some things that we can do to get into the parasympathetic Place so that we can learn and absorb it can get into flow because when you're in sympathetic dominance and stressed and chronic stress, it's not going to happen. Those are barriers to being able to get into flow.

Chris McDonald: Yeah, I can see that.

And I think yoga can be a great way in that with whether it's asana, meditation, breath work, all of these practices. Yeah. So integrating all these together, and I love how you said consistent. Because with yoga and the yoga I teach clients too, I let them know too, that this has to be a regular practice.

This is not just, Oh, I feel stressed. Let me do my breath work. No, this is something to integrate daily because that's where the change comes. That's where the magic happens. Yes, that is. Absolutely. So, do you have any takeaway to share with listeners who may be wanting to integrate spirituality and intuition into sessions, but are kind of hesitant about doing that?

Cherie Lindberg: One takeaway I would say is, I hope that by listening to this podcast, maybe you're going to be getting curious about what that might look like for yourself, what that might look like for your clients. Just beginning to start to ask the question, what are some of, you know, maybe your spiritual beliefs or spiritual practices that are going to be resources and strength for you here in the office?

And as you're asking that of the client, we always say, as the therapist, we gotta go first, right? So asking yourself that, you know, as well. Doing a daily practice has really helped me open up and it's given me access, not to just the spirituality and intuition, but also to all my parts. And so now I have a training on, on parts as well.

And we incorporate, you know, spirituality in there because we all have different aspects of ourselves. And I liked what Heather said about it's unique to each individual. And so I couldn't do this every single time. Because the folks that are listening, I want to open it up for what works for you. What are you curious about?

What are you interested in? And maybe give yourself permission to explore those things.

Heather Corbet: Yeah. And I would just add to with that, that anything is possible. So with this really being open to what can unfold within the therapy. Setting and just knowing that people have this desire, it's an inner desire. We all have this, that we want to connect, that we want to have some type of meaning in our life.

And so with that, just knowing that, and just knowing that the possibilities are endless with being able to incorporate spirituality and intuition into the therapy room. And also just being able to witness that once we do that, our clients are able to move more so in a sense of trust of their life. And they're able to take these techniques out of the room.

the office and they're able to really transform their life and transform their relationships so that they can, again, just manifest and create the life that they want. And what's the best way for listeners to find you both and learn more about you? Yeah. So you can find me, I have two different websites.

It's heathercorbettspiritualadvisor. com. And then I also have heathercorbett. com, which is my brain spotting website.

Cherie Lindberg: And yeah. ShereeLindberg. com and ElevatedLifeAcademy. com and on Elevated Life, let's say that you can't attend one of our live trainings, we do have an on demand version under the professional wing under ElevatedLifeAcademy.

com.

Chris McDonald: And it's a great podcast, I highly recommend. Yeah, thank you. I got to go on there. So much in alignment with all that we talked about in this podcast, but. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for being a fellow light bearer. Absolutely. And I want to give a big shout out to my listeners for being here today and I will see you next time.

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